This seemed like as good a thread as any . . . . Just played a good game in the Loop w/Sumo z, jtivat, & sussy 21. This match-up was proof positive to me that the "winning" is not in the tibby at all, but the skill of the pilot & the plane they get good at. Jeff is one of the very best (tibby) pilots around. Sumo z & Sussy always use the bomber---which has a rep for being one of the worst planes---but they have mastered the bomber (like KS 32). Our random game of 2 good tibbys & 2 good bombers all in a room together looked like this: pretty much equal all the way through, w/all of us having about the same # of lives at any given time. It came down to a bomber & a tibby, & the bomber had the edge w/more health left when it suddenly crashed trying to rush through the cinder blocks too quickly to the middle to keep the tibby from healthing up. As even of a match up as I've seen w/no special edge to anyone there. At any given point up to the last minuet or so it was really anyone's game.